The Plan is… No Plan

(Season 6 | Episode 237)

with Dave and Veronica

In this episode of the Open Nesters podcast, we revisit a compelling conversation from January 2021, featuring David and Veronica James, famously known as the Gypsy Nesters. Despite the lingering uncertainties of the pandemic, David and Veronica’s adventurous spirit shines through as they share their journey transitioning from traditional home life to full-time globetrotting. As pioneers of the midlife travel movement, they emphasize their philosophy of flexibility, explaining how the motto “the plan is no plan” has colored their experiences while navigating global exploration.

The Plan is… No Plan (S6 | E237)

David and Veronica’s story began as they faced the empty nest dilemma. Instead of succumbing to traditional fears associated with this life transition, they chose to sell everything and embark on their first big adventure, which they lovingly referred to as their “victory lap” when their youngest child left for college. Travel enthusiasts at heart, the couple has traversed six continents and over 60 countries in the last decade, inspiring other couples to rediscover themselves beyond their parenting roles. We delve into their empowering narrative about what it means to embrace life’s endless possibilities, especially as a couple rediscovering their bond after years of focus on their children.

0:47 Open Nesters: A New Adventure

22:30 Skydiving: Conquering Fear

27:54 Embracing the Empty Nest

29:58 Reconnecting as a Couple

34:55 Inspiring Journeys Ahead

Their journey not only illuminated the excitement of travel but also highlighted the deeper connections they forged with each other and their adult children. We discuss how the couple’s unique strategies for maintaining open, honest communication with their kids allowed for richer relationships post-nesting. Veronica reflects on her initial apprehensions as a helicopter mom and how stepping out of her comfort zone through travel and shared experiences rebuilt her connection with David. Their candid discussions reveal the importance of not just the adventures they embarked on, but the joy of togetherness, making memories, and growing alongside each other.

Throughout the episode, David and Veronica recount their myriad of travel experiences—from the funny to the frightful—like their daunting skydiving attempt on Valentine’s Day, which highlights the couple’s comical yet brave approach to conquering fears together. Listeners will appreciate the balance of humor and introspective advice the Gypsy Nesters provide, encouraging couples to step into new adventures and prioritize shared experiences that rekindle their relationship. As the couple discusses their transition to living on a boat in Southern California, listeners are reminded that travel doesn’t always have to mean constant movement but can also symbolize a way to embrace new lifestyles and choices, even from a dock.

As they close, the Gypsy Nesters offer deeply insightful advice on what it means to be open nesters, emphasizing the importance of allowing adult children the freedom to grow while continuing to nurture the romantic bond with each other. Their book, “Going Gypsy: One Couple’s Adventure from Empty Nest to No Nest at All,” serves as a resource for couples seeking inspiration in the next chapter of their lives. Head to their website, gypsynesters.com, for more about their exciting journey, real-life experiences, and lessons learned. This episode serves as a celebration of love, adventure, and the transformative power of embracing life’s unpredictable turns together.

About Tessa

Tessa Krone is the engine behind and the face of The Open Nesters.

Tessa holds an MA in Consciousness Studies and is a speaker, coach, program, and journey facilitator & leader, author, and, of course, Podcaster.

Her offerings are based on her mission to help people open to their most self-expressed, loving selves. Tessa’s specialties include embodiment from all the senses and elements of our inner and outer lives, ranging from mindfulness, dance, play, and sensory exploration in nature. If she had one superpower, it would be to help people, especially as they age, to live more open-hearted lives.

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